Comments on: The iPad, HTML 5 and Flash http://blog.madebypi.co.uk/2010/02/06/the-ipad-html-5-and-flash/ a specialist digital agency based in Leeds Wed, 01 Feb 2012 19:42:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: iPad v2 http://blog.madebypi.co.uk/2010/02/06/the-ipad-html-5-and-flash/comment-page-1/#comment-19047 iPad v2 Fri, 21 May 2010 21:09:49 +0000 http://blog.madebypi.co.uk/?p=1539#comment-19047 Will the Apple iPad come out with a version 2? It seems to lack come certain essentials that I believe every entertainment device should have. Like a USB device so that I can take all my other info from my computer and put it on the iPad. Also to be able to open more than one APP at a time would be nice. I would like to be able to listen to my music while I read a book. So I hope that iPad v2 makes its way out soon or I may go with another tablet type device and get that for cheaper. Will the Apple iPad come out with a version 2? It seems to lack come certain essentials that I believe every entertainment device should have. Like a USB device so that I can take all my other info from my computer and put it on the iPad. Also to be able to open more than one APP at a time would be nice. I would like to be able to listen to my music while I read a book.
So I hope that iPad v2 makes its way out soon or I may go with another tablet type device and get that for cheaper.

]]> By: paull http://blog.madebypi.co.uk/2010/02/06/the-ipad-html-5-and-flash/comment-page-1/#comment-15285 paull Tue, 09 Mar 2010 11:29:09 +0000 http://blog.madebypi.co.uk/?p=1539#comment-15285 I think this article on a list apart really frames the issue in a sensible and intelligent way http://www.alistapart.com/articles/flashstandards/ I think this article on a list apart really frames the issue in a sensible and intelligent way
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/flashstandards/

]]> By: Ramesh Sahu http://blog.madebypi.co.uk/2010/02/06/the-ipad-html-5-and-flash/comment-page-1/#comment-13996 Ramesh Sahu Fri, 19 Feb 2010 06:55:34 +0000 http://blog.madebypi.co.uk/?p=1539#comment-13996 :-) very good article :-) very good article

]]> By: Adam http://blog.madebypi.co.uk/2010/02/06/the-ipad-html-5-and-flash/comment-page-1/#comment-13516 Adam Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:18:59 +0000 http://blog.madebypi.co.uk/?p=1539#comment-13516 Also a good article on the subject ;) http://www.bigspaceship.com/blog/labs/will-all-the-flash-devs-please-stand-up/ Also a good article on the subject ;)
http://www.bigspaceship.com/blog/labs/will-all-the-flash-devs-please-stand-up/

]]> By: Mikee http://blog.madebypi.co.uk/2010/02/06/the-ipad-html-5-and-flash/comment-page-1/#comment-13512 Mikee Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:23:04 +0000 http://blog.madebypi.co.uk/?p=1539#comment-13512 Interesting article over here: http://blog.freshegg.com/steve-jobs-kills-flash-dead_2833 As for HTML5, I think it's many many years until we can really start to use it, and it'll never be comparative to flash. Looking at the current spec for HTML5 it doesn't hugely excite me - It has a few features that really should be the standard already. Isn't it mean't to be finalized in 2020 or something? Flash will be allowing us to control computers using only the power of our minds by then (if mikea gets busy..). Interesting article over here:

http://blog.freshegg.com/steve-jobs-kills-flash-dead_2833

As for HTML5, I think it’s many many years until we can really start to use it, and it’ll never be comparative to flash. Looking at the current spec for HTML5 it doesn’t hugely excite me – It has a few features that really should be the standard already. Isn’t it mean’t to be finalized in 2020 or something? Flash will be allowing us to control computers using only the power of our minds by then (if mikea gets busy..).

]]> By: Adam http://blog.madebypi.co.uk/2010/02/06/the-ipad-html-5-and-flash/comment-page-1/#comment-13252 Adam Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:52:50 +0000 http://blog.madebypi.co.uk/?p=1539#comment-13252 @ Matta I agree with your points on the performance side of things, though I would expect most adopters of the iPad to be relatively tech savvy individuals. Fact of the matter is we don't know enough about what the plugin would have been like, for mobile devices of course there would have to be an extent of management in terms of CPU usage etc., and our nearest available real usage of this will be when Flash 10.1 is deployed to Android, webOS etc. And in terms of the crash information (though I've never had an issue personally), there is of course a flip side to that from Adobe's perspective. As for the usability terms that you have pointed out, these are not unique to Flash applications, these go straight across the board from Java to CSS; issues inherent to touch screen devices. So it will be up to the applications to adapt to this. And the point about the App Store, I wasn't speaking in terms of profitability, that part is unquestionable; more from a philosophical point of view. I guess the main thing now is to see what happens when it is released onto platforms like Android -- should be interesting! @ Matta
I agree with your points on the performance side of things, though I would expect most adopters of the iPad to be relatively tech savvy individuals. Fact of the matter is we don’t know enough about what the plugin would have been like, for mobile devices of course there would have to be an extent of management in terms of CPU usage etc., and our nearest available real usage of this will be when Flash 10.1 is deployed to Android, webOS etc. And in terms of the crash information (though I’ve never had an issue personally), there is of course a flip side to that from Adobe’s perspective.

As for the usability terms that you have pointed out, these are not unique to Flash applications, these go straight across the board from Java to CSS; issues inherent to touch screen devices. So it will be up to the applications to adapt to this.

And the point about the App Store, I wasn’t speaking in terms of profitability, that part is unquestionable; more from a philosophical point of view.

I guess the main thing now is to see what happens when it is released onto platforms like Android — should be interesting!

]]> By: paull http://blog.madebypi.co.uk/2010/02/06/the-ipad-html-5-and-flash/comment-page-1/#comment-13247 paull Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:47:02 +0000 http://blog.madebypi.co.uk/?p=1539#comment-13247 I agree with alot of whats been said. Adam - I was talking specifically about the flash plugin in a web browser - I understand how the new publish mechanism in CS5 but it wont help me view a flash site. I do agree that I dont understand why HTML5 is viewed as a total replacement for Flash though its just another tool (although there is of course crossover) Matt - I think your performance concerns are valid but I wish Apple would quantify their level they require from the plugin and let Adobe try to reach it - the performance improvents in 10.1 of the plug-in are aimed at mobile and may well be good enough. In terms of content and how it may not translate to touch screen I am sure the major sites will quickly adapt if the audience is big enough. Mark - totally agree its all about choosing the best tools for the budget and brief - I'd like to use flash when its right and not worry about alternative content for the iPad (or choose an inferior solution that is compatable) I agree with alot of whats been said.

Adam – I was talking specifically about the flash plugin in a web browser – I understand how the new publish mechanism in CS5 but it wont help me view a flash site. I do agree that I dont understand why HTML5 is viewed as a total replacement for Flash though its just another tool (although there is of course crossover)

Matt – I think your performance concerns are valid but I wish Apple would quantify their level they require from the plugin and let Adobe try to reach it – the performance improvents in 10.1 of the plug-in are aimed at mobile and may well be good enough. In terms of content and how it may not translate to touch screen I am sure the major sites will quickly adapt if the audience is big enough.

Mark – totally agree its all about choosing the best tools for the budget and brief – I’d like to use flash when its right and not worry about alternative content for the iPad (or choose an inferior solution that is compatable)

]]> By: Matta http://blog.madebypi.co.uk/2010/02/06/the-ipad-html-5-and-flash/comment-page-1/#comment-13239 Matta Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:56:56 +0000 http://blog.madebypi.co.uk/?p=1539#comment-13239 First of all, I think it's an interesting debate to be had. Imagine you're a normal user (your mum or dad for example) and the iPad has got flash on it. You don't know what flash is, you don't even know what a plug-in is. You just like to browse the web for whatever reason. Now imagine that you're browsing using your iPad and Safari starts running really slowly or worse, crashes. This is hardly a stretch of the imagination for anyone who is familiar with flash heavy sites (or flash in general on the Mac). Now, I would be annoyed at Adobe, or maybe the person who created the web page. A normal user doesn't know about flash so they blame Safari and Apple. The same user then goes on their favourite website which has a flash gallery where you rollover some images to get the full-size version. Nope, doesn't work - no rollovers with a touch-screen. Ok, my favourite game then, a side scrolling beat-em-up. No, how does the iPad know to bring up a keyboard or not. Even if it did, how does it know to just bring up the arrow keys. There is of course also the issue of battery life, linked with CPU usage. Flash in its current state isn't ready for the iPad (or iPhone). Maybe if they prove that the flash plug-in on the Mac is bug free and performs well Apple will reconsider. I doubt it, at least for a long time, though. The whole ethos of Apple is to produce an integrated product that performs consistently well and if something doesn't perform well enough it gets cut. As for the reasons people design and develop native iPhone OS applications - exposure and money. The sales and download stats speak for themselves; the App Store works. First of all, I think it’s an interesting debate to be had.

Imagine you’re a normal user (your mum or dad for example) and the iPad has got flash on it. You don’t know what flash is, you don’t even know what a plug-in is. You just like to browse the web for whatever reason.

Now imagine that you’re browsing using your iPad and Safari starts running really slowly or worse, crashes. This is hardly a stretch of the imagination for anyone who is familiar with flash heavy sites (or flash in general on the Mac). Now, I would be annoyed at Adobe, or maybe the person who created the web page. A normal user doesn’t know about flash so they blame Safari and Apple.

The same user then goes on their favourite website which has a flash gallery where you rollover some images to get the full-size version. Nope, doesn’t work – no rollovers with a touch-screen. Ok, my favourite game then, a side scrolling beat-em-up. No, how does the iPad know to bring up a keyboard or not. Even if it did, how does it know to just bring up the arrow keys.

There is of course also the issue of battery life, linked with CPU usage.

Flash in its current state isn’t ready for the iPad (or iPhone). Maybe if they prove that the flash plug-in on the Mac is bug free and performs well Apple will reconsider. I doubt it, at least for a long time, though. The whole ethos of Apple is to produce an integrated product that performs consistently well and if something doesn’t perform well enough it gets cut.

As for the reasons people design and develop native iPhone OS applications – exposure and money. The sales and download stats speak for themselves; the App Store works.

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